Come Follow Me LDS- Mar 25-31 Part 2, Matthew 14-15, Mark 6-7, John 5-6 Part 2

‘The 5,000, A Walk & Dirty Hands’

– Jesus feeds the 5,000

– He walks on the sea, Peter tries

– What comes out of your mouth is more important than what goes in.


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Be Not Afraid” Part 2


in this episode we’re going to talk about

the 5,000 a walk and dirty hands here we

go okay in this episode we’re going to go

back to the Gospel of John and we’ll go

to chapter 6 and here Jesus is in

Galilee and he goes off into a mountain

and remember we’re talking about again

there’s all this parallelism between

Jesus and Moses constantly but

especially in this time of Passover so

this is around the time of Passover and

so the themes that we see are very much

about the Exodus and so Jesus goes out

and he goes up into a mountain which

would be a hill in Galilee and there his

disciples are with them and he’s talking

with them and from all corners of

Galilee most likely he gets this huge

crowd of people that gather around him

and listen to him they just want to hear

him talk and here we have in chapter 5

it says when Jesus lifted up his eyes

and saw a great company come unto Him he

saith unto Philip whence shall we buy

bread that these may eat and this he

said to prove him for he himself knew

what he would do so he’s asking Philip

this is most likely around Philips

village and so he’s asking and he’s kind

of leading him in this question right

well what should we do what do you think

we should do here Philip and Philip says

you know hey we’ve got five loaves of

barley and we have to fish these would

be pickled fish and that’s all we’ve got

and we’ve got a little bit of we’ve got

200 pence here that’s not going to buy very

much if we went and bought any bread so

Jesus says have the crowd sit down and

he takes the loaves and he takes the

fish and he himself distributes it

distributes the loaves of bread and

the fish and he feeds everybody

with it right the miracle of the loaves

and the fish and they’re all filled from

this and then he has them go around and

gather whatever is left over afterwards

so in other words there’s plenty for


that what’s the point of that to saying

that there’s something that has

gathered afterward everybody is filled

up and then here interestingly in verse

14 it says then those men when they had

seen the miracle that Jesus did said

this is of truth that prophet that

should come into the world so this is a

direct reference back to Moses and his

prophecy of the Messiah in the Old

Testament Moses talks about the Prophet

that will be coming into the world

specifically talking about the Messiah

so this is again a correlation between

Jesus and Moses here in this example

also to understand here would be that

these are the loaves of bread that would

be equivalent to the manna that fell

from heaven for the Israelites in the

wilderness and then it says that the of

the remnants there were twelve baskets

that they filled up now possibly again a

an allusion to the twelve tribes of

Israel going back to the time of the

exodus and Moses as well and then the

men that are there say is this the

Prophet that was prophesied to come into

the world this is another illusion back

to Moses because Moses had prophesied

about the Messiah about what he called

the Prophet that would come into the

world so he’s bringing that together

again here this is Jesus and Moses being

coupled here together and when they said

this then Jesus perceives that they are

going to want to make him a king so

pretty interesting here that they would

say that that again we talked about the

king of the Jews that Jesus is the king

of the Jews here there’s already a

reference to him as the king as the

Melchizedek there is an example in the

Old Testament when David

brings the Ark of the Covenant from I

believe it was Shiloh into finally get

that into Jerusalem and he distributes

the bread to everyone it could be an

allusion back to that as well kind of a

temple centered theme here and the Ark

of the Covenant that the Israelites

carried in the desert as well and then

we move over to Matthew 14 to talk about

Jesus walking on the sea so they leave

this area Jesus has the disciples leave

in a boat and Jesus goes off to a

mountain to pray again another mountain

where he’s going to go up and pray again

another allusion to Moses and they leave

and go out into the sea and then in the

middle of the night Jesus comes out

walking on the water and the disciples

are all afraid thinking that this is a

spirit of some sort and Jesus says the

following to them he says and Jesus

spake unto them saying be of good cheer

it is I be not afraid now when he says

it is I the translated Greek on that is

ego a me or ego a me which means

basically the same term that he uses

with Moses up on Mount Sinai which is I

am that I am same thing it is I and in

fact he uses this phrase several times

throughout the New Testament and so

Peter answers him and says lord if it’s

you then bid me to come out to you and

so he does and so Peter gets out of the

boat and he starts walking on the water

just like Christ I see a lot of lessons

learned here in in this example he goes

out he walks on the water just as Christ

is walking out on the water for maybe a

few steps maybe more and then he looks

around him he sees the storm the wind

the waves and he starts to doubt and so

he starts to sink and of course what

happens at that point he says lord save

me and immediately the Savior reaches

out his hand

and grabs Peter and saves it so this is

a great story a great example of a great

experience that shows us a number of

different lessons first I would say

Peter has the faith I mean he sees the

Savior out there and he has enough faith

to try I think that’s important he wants

to be like the Savior the Savior is that

has the ability to do this and now Peter

wants to be able to do it as well so

he’s reaching up to the Savior he’s

trying to be like him and he’s exerting

the faith that allows him to start

moving toward Christ like we all are

trying to do and so he’s exerting enough

faith to start taking these steps so we

can think of the sea in a sense as a

spiritual walkway not as a spiritual

road and not a physical road where we go

out we step out of the ship of the world

and we are going to try and step on this

new road this new spiritual path that

leads us to Christ and we have enough

faith to maybe get started with that and

to try and become more like the Savior

and to move toward him and then as we go

and there are distractions in our lives

and there are threats and there are

obstacles and the adversary

works on us we start to doubt can I

really keep walking toward him can I

really do this

do I really want to and take our eye off

the ball and we start to sink and then

here Peter this may not be the case for

everyone but here Peter as he starts to

sink he says lord save me and so here he

gives the example of the Lord in the end

saves him so he has the faith to move


but he doesn’t have the perfection to

make it all the way to Christ on his own

he has to rely on not just his own faith

but he has to rely on the Savior or have

faith in the Savior to be able to save

him at the end so that’s kind of the

example that we all of all of us we’re

all Peter most of us that would listen

to this podcast probably have had enough

faith in their lives at times at least

to take a step out of the ship and just

start moving toward Christ

but most of us also at least in one

degree or another have probably started

to sink a little bit and are bothered by

distractions or threats or whatever it

might be and hopefully we have or will

reach out to the Savior and ask him to

help us and to save us and to help us

get all the way to him so then they all

arrive at the other side of the shore

the people are a little confused as to

how Jesus got there because he they know

that the disciples had left in the boat

by themselves from where they were all

fed and that Jesus had gone off on his

own so they can’t quite figure out how

it is that he got over across the Sea of

Galilee to them as well but Jesus says

look the reason you’re looking for me

is because you want me to feed you

remember they wanted to make him a king

because they had they he had fed them

all and had all these miracles but that

was the whole point of what he was

saying here is that manna from heaven is

going to sustain you physically the

bread will sustain you physically but if

you’re back here again because you want

me to sustain you physically you’re in

the wrong place this is the whole point

and he says to them labor not for the

meat which perisheth but for that meat

which endureth unto ever

lasting life and we use the word meat I

know at least in the book of John the

the term here is Bissau or the Hebrews

verse our which is meat or flesh it also

by the way interestingly enough is the

word used in Isaiah 52 7 which is how

beautiful upon the mountains are the

feet of those or he that bringeth good

tidings or the gospel good news which is

a reference to the Savior and the good

tidings is actually Bissau it is

actually who brings flesh who brings the

meat or the fruit and so this is a

reference I think also in a way tying

back to Isaiah here a little bit this is

who the Savior is he’s the one who is

bringing the bread the meat the flesh

and of course he talks about the flesh

of his own body

as representative of the meat and he

continues and says which the Son of man

shall give unto you for him hath God the

Father sealed and he says our Father is

going back to the example of the Exodus

our fathers did eat manna in the desert

this is down in 31 as it is written he

gave them bread from heaven to eat and

then Jesus said unto them verily verily

I say unto you Moses gave you not that

bread from heaven but my father giveth

you the true bread from heaven for the

bread of God is which cometh down from

heaven and giveth life unto the world so

again it’s the higher and the lower law

here trying to get them out of the idea

of the manna being what physically

sustains you to the manna or the bread

of life Jesus being the bread of life is

what is going to sustain you move beyond

the physical world here and think of the

spiritual world and it is the atonement

it is me says Jesus that is going to

sustain you if you can have faith in me

and not in

physical bread and not in Moses but

actually have faith in the atonement and

in the Messiah which I am he says and so

the people respond and said Lord give us

this bread that gives us life giver to

give us this bread and he says in 35 I

am again eggo ae me

or ae me I am that I am the bread of life

he that cometh to me shall never hunger

and he that believeth on me shall never

thirst okay so a couple things here we

can go back and see a couple of

parallels here first we can go back to

the woman at the well where the Lord

says I am the living water we talked

about that in the streams coming out

from Eden and from the idea of coming

out from the temple but he is the living

water here he is the living bread he is

the bread of life but remember this is

the time of Passover and these are

themes of Passover and so with those

themes he’s talking about manna and he’s

talking about water and the water would

be the water that was the Red Sea

that was parted and then of course the

water when Moses struck the rock with

his the staff the water that came forth

from there into 12 streams so that is

also what is being talked about here

that is constant throughout the New

Testament it is this comparison between

Moses and Jesus and if we look for that

often you’re going to see that he’s

trying to elevate the people into this

new line of thinking they are stuck with

Moses right Moses to them is the highest

so he’s trying to move them beyond that

and say look what Moses was about was

looking forward to me right we don’t

stop there he was he was looking forward

to me and that’s what the law of Moses

really is about and I am now here and I

am bringing you the fullness of the

gospel which is the spiritual side the

Melchizedek Priesthood all of the temple

ordinances and he’s bringing this

comparison in constantly he follows that

up when 49 was saying your father’s did

eat manna in the wilderness and are dead

in other words the manna that they ate

kept them alive in mortality it did not

keep to give them eternal life right

this is the bread which cometh down from

heaven that a man may eat thereof and

not die talking about himself so then we

get a foreshadowing of the sacrament we

have Jesus then and where he’s talked

about the manna and he’s walked on the

water we have these two examples here of

the Passover where they’re associated

with the law of Moses Jesus now takes

that and raises it up to the higher law

and he says the following he says I am

The Living bread which came down from

heaven If any man eat of this bread he

shall live forever and the bread that I

will give is my flesh which I will give

for the life of the world

so his sacrifice his body is what he is

going to give for the life of the world

right that’s the true manna in a sense

that’s what’s going to sustain help

sustain us spiritually and they the Jews

said well how they’re there I said how

can how can he give us his flesh to eat

they don’t understand what he’s saying

but before I go on to the next part on

this think about the sacrifices that are

made in the law of Moses that look

forward to the sacrifice of Jesus

that is that they would make the

sacrifice of the animal and they would

all partake of that animal as well they

would burn have a burnt offering

basically barbecue the animal on the

altar and then the priest would eat of

it the family would eat of it that

brought the sacrifice and they would

partake of the of the of the flesh of

the animal and that was part of them

internalizing partaking of the sacrifice

as well right they were they were

partaking of it as well and that’s what

Jesus is is kind of talking about

I think because he is the sacrifice he

is the final sacrifice then he also says

whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my

blood hath eternal life and I will raise

him up at the last day for my flesh is

meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed

he that eateth my flesh and drinketh my

blood dwelleth in me and I in him so

he’s saying that he is the sacrifice he

is the final sacrifice that all these

other sacrifices are actually looking

forward to so the Sakura Jews the

sacrificing prices that you are making

now are supposed to be looking forward

to me and to my final sacrifice and just

as you would partake of those in a sense

you will be partaking you need to

partake in my sacrifice as well and have

faith in it and trust in my sacrifice

and/or a commitment to that a

representation of that would be

eventually the sacrament where we

partake of the bread and the wine or the

water we are in a sense partaking of his

sacrifice of his flesh and of his blood

of the lower law of flesh and the higher

law of the blood where our

representations of the ironic and the

Melchizedek priesthood but many of those

that are there don’t like what they’re

hearing they don’t it’s too much for

them they and what I think is is I don’t

think that they’re just saying how are

we going to partake of his flesh and his

blood I mean this is cannibalism I think

really maybe what they’re thinking here

is they don’t like the higher law I

think that’s what’s the pushback is here

we’re not going to you know we have our

sacrifices they don’t look forward to

anything else necessarily and we want to

stick with where we’re at I think that’s

where they may have the harder issue

here is understanding the higher law of

what to set all the sacrifices represent

they represent his sacrifice

and the atonement and something

spiritual and this man here before them

is going to perform this act by proxy on

their behalf and be the sacrifice and I

think that’s just too much for them to

handle and then lastly we go to chapter

15 of Matthew and here we have an

interesting principle that comes up and

Jesus is contending with the scribes and

the Pharisees here and there are a

couple of principles here that I find

are pretty interesting the scribes and

the Pharisees come to Jesus and they say

the following they say why do they

disciples transgress the tradition of

the elders for they wash not their hands

when they eat bread

now here Matthew says specifically wants

to make sure we the readers understand

what is being said here he says why did

I disciples transgress the tradition of

the elders it’s not the law it’s not the

part of the law of Moses it’s the

tradition of the elders for they washing

out their hands when they eat bread and

he answered unto them and said why do ye

also transgress the commandment of God

by your tradition so he inverts it he

flips it around and he brings up this

point he says for God commanded saying

honor thy father and mother and he that

curseth father or mother let him die the

death okay so one of the Ten

Commandments honor thy father and honor

thy mother right and so what they’re

saying is with the elders why aren’t you

following this tradition of our parents

and their bear parents and their parents

and he’s saying well wait a minute well

you do not honor your parents this is

what he says he says but ye say

whosoever shall say to his father or his

mother it is a gift by whatsoever thou

mightest be profited by me and honor not

his father or his mother he shall be

free thus have ye made the commandment

of God of none effect by your tradition

so in other words there is a teaching

here going on that basically says as

children or as the children of whatever


whatever has been given to you by them

by their teaching by their goodness by

their sustaining you whatever it might

be you look at that as a gift and you’re

not honoring actually honoring your

father and your mother for everything

that they’ve done so there’s something

going on in the society here where there

is maybe rebellion or disrespect a lot

of disrespect toward parents at this

time that’s what it seems like to me and

he’s saying you don’t even obey the

commandment you’re asking me about the

tradition of the elders in washing hands

the tradition of your parents and the

grandparents and yet

you don’t even really honor the parents

and that’s something you can’t even

honor in other words you’re being

complete hypocrites here and so he

refers to them by using the words of

Isaiah he says you know Isaiah which is

si es here in in Greek Isaiah prophesied

well of you in his time talking about

you in our time he said this people

draweth nigh unto me with their mouth

and honoureth me with their lips but

their heart is far from me so where else

do we hear that of course we hear that

in the first vision it’s the same thing

where there’s a lot of words that are

spoken there’s a lot of honor that we

can speak right but their hearts are far

from me it’s the same description that

was given to Joseph Smith when he was

looking for the right church and

what he should do which church he should

join and he’s told the same thing right

there’s and we can see that right I

mean one of the principles that we learn

here in the New Testament again is about

you shall know them by their fruits I

think that’s a really important

principle because whatever comes out of

people’s mouths is one thing but the

actual fruits that are born here in a

religion and in a society can be

something completely different we think

of the zoramites for example right the


everything was about what they said up

at the pulpit and but nothing you had

the poor people outside they were

waiting there was that the fruits that

they bore were not good but their

words were great what he says is that

what really matters is what’s coming out

of you right it’s not what you’re what

you’re eating and whether your hands are

clean or not he’s talking about what

comes out of you and he says the

following he says but those things which

proceed out of the mouth come forth from

the heart and they defile the man for

out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

murders adulteries fornications thefts

false witness blasphemies these are the

things which defile a man but to eat

with unwashen hands defileth not a man

so again higher law and lower law the

lower law which the scribes and

Pharisees are focused on here is the

actual dirt on their hands and not the

dirt maybe in their minds or in their

hearts that comes out through their

mouths and so that’s the contrast that

we have here being cleaned basically

what he’s saying has to do with your

spirit and your mind and if your heart

I’ll talk to you next time  

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