Come Follow Me LDS- 2 Corinthians 1-7 Part 1 (Sep 9-15)

‘Affliction, Comfort, The Letter & The Spirit’

– Paul piggybacks the Spiritual Economy onto Hierarchy

– How the victim and the perpetrator are healed through forgiveness

– The convergence of the Spiritual Economy, Hierarchy & The Higher & Lower Laws

Come Follow Me LDS- 2 Corinthians 1-7 Part 1 (Sep 9-15)

‘Affliction, Comfort, The Letter & The Spirit’ – Paul piggybacks the Spiritual Economy onto Hierarchy – How the victim and the perpetrator are healed through forgiveness – The convergence of the Spiritual Economy, Hierarchy & The Higher & Lower Laws Come Follow Me for Individuals and Families LDS, Mormon


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2 Corinthians 1-7 Part 1
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in this episode we talk about affliction
comfort the letter and the spirit here
we go
in this episode we’re going to cover
second corinthians chapters 1 2 and 3 in
2nd corinthians we get a lot of what
we’ve already had from Paul in 1st
Corinthians and in the Epistle to the
Romans where he talks a lot about the
spiritual economy I love how he does
he brings in the spiritual principles
that work against and with each other
and helps us to kind of navigate these
principles so that we can have a greater
understanding of how we have success
spiritually just like you would need an
understanding of economics and a
temporal economy in order to have
success financially Paul kind of
continually lets out this information on
these principles on how to attach
ourselves to them how to recognize them
and how to follow them 2nd Corinthians
was probably written about 8055 now that
puts us just context again as we talk
about Paul here we’re talking about a
period where the church has grown over
about 25 years remember that Christ went
through Gethsemane the tomb and the
resurrection around it’s got to be
around 29 or 30 AD more or less give or
take a year or so probably it is earlier
if that’s the case then later so about
25 26 years may be that we’re talking
about where the church has grown from
wherever it was when Christ was still
walking around on earth and teaching and
blessing and the apostles were baptizing
and so a lot can happen in that period
of time
and of course a big difference is that
when Jesus is not with them every day
and he’s not walking around and
personally transmitting truth constantly
we have to rely on these leaders that
are not perfect and yet are inspired and
are doing their best and are willing to
sacrifice everything in order to build
the kingdom of God God on earth so he
opens up the letter of second
Corinthians when you go to verse 2 here
he says grace be to you and peace from
God our Father and from the Lord Jesus
Christ to me very obvious here Paul is
talking about two separate beings he
understands very clearly that Jesus is
the son of another being he is the son
of God the Father and that’s important
to know to be able to relay certain
principles of the spiritual economy and
to understand the fluid hierarchy that
exists alongside that spiritual economy
we’re gonna talk about that here in this
first chapter verse 3 says blessed be
God even the father of our Lord Jesus
Christ the father of mercies and the God
of all comforts so he opens up the
letter kind of in a way that’s going to
talk a little bit more about comfort and
how we receive that comfort in times of
tribulation and affliction but we don’t
get too many doses of both of those
they are principles that you can’t
overdo or that the Lord can’t overdo and
I’ll tell you what I mean by that here
verse 4 who comforteth us in all our
tribulation that we may be able to
comfort them which are in any trouble by
the comfort wherewith we ourselves are
comforted of God all right so we’re
getting something here again we’ve done
this before where we’ve kind of
piggybacked the hierarchy with spiritual
principles and so if we’ve got a
mechanism that comes from an original
source being God the Father then we can
get a transmission of these principles
and truths and the spirit that comes
down to us through this latter
this hierarchical ladder that eventually
reaches down to us so again in verse
four the father is the one that comfort
of us in all our tribulation that we may
be able to comfort them which are in any
trouble so just like we’ve talked about
with like the 12-step program right for
those people that are having difficulty
with addiction we need something to
reach above us someone who has
experience we need truth we need
principles we need experience
we need inspiration we need something to
look to that is a goal of where we want
to go in someone who supports us and so
we receive that here from God he gives
us our comfort and then we turn around
and give to those that in this
circumstance we would say are below us
that may be suffering themselves and we
use the comfort that we are talking
about here to comfort them which are in
any trouble and that is the same comfort
right and in verse five we get where
that comes from it comes from the
sufferings of Christ so he suffers and
pays a price for us in other words
leading reaching down to us and then we
might suffer or pay a price in sacrifice
or in service to reach down and help
somebody else who needs comforting so
this principle of comfort is moving down
this ladder or this hierarchy that is in
place so he starts off talking about the
father and greetings from the father and
then from the Son and then down to Paul
and then down to the Corinthians
so that hierarchy is important to
understand and then he says something
really interesting and he brings in not
just comfort but affliction and
tribulation and he says here in verse
six and whether we be afflicted it is
for your consolation and salvation so
whatever we’re afflicted with whatever
sufferings we have that is for our
remember the Pharisees and a lot of the
Jews in Jerusalem and other places at
the time of Jesus believed a lot that if
someone suffered whether it was a
physical ailment and disease or whether
it was they were poor and homeless or
perhaps whether they died over something
then this was judgment on them and Paul
here is saying the exact opposite if
there are sufferings out there then our
job is not to judge them our job is to
offer comfort but we’re all afflicted
right we all receive this affliction and
that is for our consolation in salvation
so he set up these two pillars here for
us while we’re here in mortality one
here is the affliction it is for our own
good it is for our salvation and then he
says or whether we be comforted it is
for your consolation and salvation
so both the afflictions that would come
upon us are for our salvation and the
comfort that we receive which could be
from the affliction both of these things
both of these principles both so both of
these spiritual principles are for our
good for salvation now imagine that if
we took one of those and overloaded it
and there’s too much affliction more
than we can handle
remember we’re told that we will not be
given more than we can handle but it is
for our good too much of it though is is
probably not good more than we can
handle at least is not good but then
there’s comfort and if there’s too much
comfort given then that would pull us
away from our spiritual growth we need
to work by faith and by struggle in
order to be able to grow and to progress
so it’s kind of like let’s take a couple
principles that we might have in the
temporal economy which would be supply
and demand if there’s too much demand
and not enough supply of something then
you’re going to have a real problem or
if it’s the other way around if there’s
too much supply
I and not enough demand then you’ve got
a problem right and one of them causes
prices to go up higher one of them
causes prices to go lower and in the
same way we are affected if there’s too
much affliction then we are affected if
there’s too much comfort then we are
effect affected as well so these two
things work with each other in many
cases and perhaps there’s more sometimes
on the affliction side but that comfort
comes in when it’s absolutely necessary
and perhaps sometimes based on our
choices and perhaps sometimes when the
Lord seems it is most appropriate and
then in chapter 2 Paul begins to set up
a scenario of forgiveness and starts
talking about how we overcome affliction
and being wronged through forgiveness
and sacrifice he starts off by talking
about how he has written unto the people
of Corinth even though he is with a
under a lot of affliction and anguish
right so he’s suffering but he is going
to go beyond that and write the Epistle
anyway to the people of Corinth
so he’s overcoming this maybe in many
ways it’s because he was wronged and
this sets up his lesson to them about
forgiveness he says in verse 5 but if
any have caused grief he hath not
grieved me right so he’s looking they
bad things happen people wronged other
people but they haven’t grieved me but
in part that I may not overcharge you
all sufficient to such a man is the
punishment which was inflicted of many
okay so what he’s trying to do here I
believe is he’s trying to isolate the
sinner from the victim so when we are
wronged and there is affliction thrown
upon us by somebody else and anguish
betrayal whatever it might be
he’s saying whatever that person has
done it is sufficient that they are
going to suffer based off of the
spiritual economy which would be guilt
resenting what was done needing to go
through the forgiveness repentance
process but that our charge is to do
something a little bit different in that
spiritual economy our charge says here
in verse 7 so that contrary wise he
ought rather to forgive him this person
and comfort him lest perhaps such a one
should be swallowed up with overmuch
sorrow so again is we talked about this
idea of covenant that’s getting along
with people that are different from us
helping and supporting each other and
growing in the charity that we should
develop to cross those bridges between
each other in family friends church
nation to nation race to race economic
status etc he’s saying when we’re
wronged by someone what we need to do is
forgive them number one and number two
to comfort them and that in a sense is
what we’re getting from the hierarchy
above right God the Father Jesus Christ
even though we may have wronged them by
making commitments and then maybe
breaking those commitments by sinning
their model for us their example is that
they want to forgive us imagine how
horrible that would be if they would
prefer to hang on to it and not let go
of these things we certainly want an
easier judgment we certainly want
forgiveness from God so he’s saying hey
we needed to turn around as we look
through that hierarchy of betrayal or of
affliction and anguish that may have
been caused outside of ourselves and we
need to forgive we need to let that go
otherwise less perhaps such a one should
be swallowed up with overmuch sorry
now that could be both parties or either
party the person who is affected by it
the victim right we don’t want them to
be overly swallowed up by those that are
betrayed or those that are the receiver
of the affliction to be judging those
individuals too harshly and on the other
side as we do forgive or if we don’t
forgive then we are the ones that could
be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow and
that is so true it’s almost like if we
are the victim in something that God
wants us to put that victimhood status
behind us and let it go
and yet there’s something that we want
with that sometimes I think that’s my
experience if I’ve been wronged if
someone’s made my life difficult
sometimes those negative emotions of
anger and betrayal and can eat you up
and so not only is forgiving the
individual that has wronged you better
for the causer of the affliction but
it’s just as good it may be better even
for the victim so to speak to let that
because we have shared with this other
person victim and perpetrator this wrong
and we both have to be able to get it
off of our backs one through forgiveness
that they’re asking for
that’s the perpetrator and one for
forgiveness that they are offering and
that brings us more to that place of
covenant and so then he gives us the
example again of forgiveness through the
hierarchy right and we see here in verse
10 to whom you forgive anything
I forgive also for if I forgave anything
to whom I forgave it for your sakes
forgave ayat in the person of Christ
so it’s Christ and then here would be
down to Paul and then it’s to the
individual members
of the church here at Corinth in verse
11 lest Satan should get an advantage of
us for we are not ignorant of his
devices what devices about what
well devices of hanging on to anger and
victimhood those are not spiritual
principles that are offered in the
gospel those are coming from somewhere
else those are not the devices of God
they are the devices of the adversary
and forgiveness offering forgiveness is
the key to overcoming those things and
in verse 15 he says for we are unto God
a sweet savour of Christ now a sweet
savour would have been from that’s
terminology it looks to me like from the
burnt offerings the sacrifice that was
put upon the altar and basically
barbecued and the flavor the smell of
that and the flavor of the meat that
would have been eaten is the sweet
savour that goes up to the Lord
and so through Christ’s sacrifice we
then pull from that down at our level
here or Paul in this case and then down
to the members of Corinth we offer a
sacrifice by forgiving because otherwise
we’re offering a sacrifice it says of
death or a savor of death and to the
other the savour of life unto life and
then in chapter 3 we get back to the
higher and lower law that Paul goes over
continually throughout his writings says
here in verse 2 of chapter 3 ye are our
epistle written in our hearts known and
read of all men so as he’s writing this
epistle he’s saying you the members of
Corinth are our epistle the leaders of
the church in other words you are our
testimony so to speak and he splits us
up between the higher in the lower laws
he says here in verse 3 for as much as
ye are manifestly declared
to be the Epistle of Christ ministered
by US written not with ink but with the
spirit of the Living God not in tables
of stone but in fleshy tables of the
heart so here we get the contrast here
of the higher and the lower laws what
are the tables of stone that he’s saying
that this is not written in well the
reference goes directly to the Torah
that Moses brought down from Sinai the
second time and that was the lower law
right written and engraved in the stone
were the letters of the Torah of course
this is part of what we would say when
we talk about the letter of the law
right that is the lower law there’s the
letter of the law and the spirit of the
law so he says not in tables of stone is
is this written but in fleshy tables of
the heart this is what Jeremiah the
Prophet that was in Jerusalem at the
time of Lehi set right that it would be
the New Covenant that’s the new and
everlasting covenant that is the higher
law the Melchizedek Priesthood the
fullness of the gospel would be written
in the hearts of the people so that’s a
reference back to Jeremiah so here
Jeremiah you know five hundred and
some-odd years six hundred years before
the time of Christ he is talking about
this new covenant that would be written
in the hearts of the people and Paul
here is reaching back to that as the
reference and saying the law of Moses is
no more the law of God still exists but
the law of Moses is no more so letters
written in stone are not as important as
the letter and the epistle that is
written in your heart and what would it
take to have something engraved in your
heart so to speak I mean the tablets of
stone are pretty rough it would take a
soft heart it would take a broken heart
and a contrite spirit the exact opposite
of what the book of
often talks about where people have a
hardened heart so the hardened heart
might allow for the lower law right the
hardened heart would be like the tables
of stone but it does not offer the
openness for the spirit to come in and
have the higher law of compassion and
mercy enter into us and we get this
terminology again about the New
Testament and the Old Testament remember
what this means says here in verse six
who also hath made us able ministers of
the New Testament remember the New
Testament that we think of when we say
New Testament did not exist at this time
not of the letter he says here but of
the spirit for the letter killeth but
the spirit giveth life so again this is
contrary perhaps to what we might deem
to be obvious and that is that oh the
law of God given to us is for life and
not death but that’s not true
the lower law the ironic law is a law of
death because on it on its own it does
not survive but yet it has to exist it’s
a letter of the law and the letter
killeth because it is judgment and if
we’ve sinned and there is judgment there
then that kills us because we cannot
progress because of the Savior if then
if the higher law of the spirit of the
law that giveth life did not exist so
the letter of the law the letter killeth
it is a mortal law and the spirit and
giveth life that’s over the justice
that’s the mercy of Christ and his
sacrifice again you got to have both you
can’t get rid of the lower law or you
can’t get rid of get rid of the law of
Moses but you can’t get rid of the law
of God and you can’t get rid of justice
and on our own we can’t get rid of death
therefore but Christ is the spirit of
the law and Christ overcomes death
physical death through the resurrection
and overcomes spiritual death the letter
of death through Gethsemane in the cross
and he backs this up and explains it a
little bit more here in verse 7 he says
but if the ministration of death written
and engraven in stones was glorious and
it was so that the children of Israel
could not steadfastly behold the face of
Moses for the glory of his countenance
which glory was to be done away how
shall not the ministration of the Spirit
be rather glorious or even more glorious
in other words Moses comes down from
Sinai with the lower law the law of
Moses the letter of the law and yet it’s
glorious and is so glorious that he has
to come down
veiled now granted here he did speak and
talk with God and go through a long
vision here at the time as well but Paul
is using the veil here that Moses wore
on his way down from Sinai to show that
hey there was so much glory just for the
lower law that he had to wear a veil
there are references of that also by the
way to the lower law with the veil
remember we have to go through the veil
to get to the holy of holies to the
celestial room you can’t just take the
veil away so he’s like look if there was
that much glory for the lower law the
law written on stone then how much more
glory is there for the higher law in
verse 8 how shall not the ministration
of the spirit be rather glorious for if
the ministration of condemnation be
that’s judgment the lower law much more
death administration of righteousness
exceed in glory the higher law it
exceeds the law of death and of judgment
and so this is a good explanation to
those that are still again very tied to
the law of Moses the Jews here in
perhaps that’s where the focus would be
not to the pagans that have converted
it’s like look the law of Moses is
glorious it was glorious
but it’s not the higher law and the law
of Moses itself needs to be done away
with and then he again uses the veil
which he often does right as an example
the Moses the veil of Moses here as an
example of keeping a blind eye on the
law of Moses he says here starting in
verse 12 he says seeing then that we
have such hope we use great plainness of
speech as interesting to me that just
like Nephi loves the plain and simple
things Paul here is using the term
plainness as he talks about the higher
law maybe there’s some type of an
association there in verse 13 he says
and not as Moses which put a veil over
his face that the children of Israel
could not steadfastly look to the end of
that which is abolished the law of Moses
but their minds were blinded for until
this day remaineth the same vail untaken
away in the reading of the Old Testament
it’s the Old Covenant that’s the Torah
which veil is done away in Christ in
other words if you have lost Christ
right the nee hoor principle here and
you only have the Torah and you don’t
understand that all of that is in the
Torah is a looking forward to Christ
then you have veiled the meaning of the
Old Covenant of the Old Testament
because you cannot see forward beyond
the veil and he says that Vail is done
away in Christ so it’s kind of like a
high priest that would step from outside
the veil through the veil can now the
veil in a sense is done away with or
beyond the veil in verse 15 but even
unto this day when Moses is read the
veil is upon their heart in other words
they don’t see Christ that’s how I
interpret that or the fullness of the
gospel 16 nevertheless when it
turn to the Lord the veil shall be taken
away well obviously if we look toward
Christ we look toward the Lord then the
veil will be removed from the Old
Testament and so if we start seeing
ourselves reading the Old Testament and
not turning to the Lord there and
understanding that that is about Jesus
Christ and an illusion toward him as all
of the prophets of the Old Testament
testified of Christ then we are putting
a veil over our eyes
and our minds and our spirit and it’s
not hard to do because it seems to
happen over and over again throughout
history and then he firms this up in
verse 17 now the Lord is that spirit the
spirit of the law the higher law and
where the Spirit of the Lord is there is
Liberty Liberty for what Liberty from
what I think what he’s saying is is you
have Liberty from the law the lower law
is this is what he’s talking about and
how do we have Liberty from the lower
law because we have freedom from justice
or the ability to overcome justice
through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ
that is our Liberty that we can grow and
were liberated from that condemnation in
that judgment and that sin we’re
liberated from the law remember in the
Genesis story of the Garden of Eden that
once Adam and Eve have partaken of the
fruit of the knowledge of the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil
what is placed before the Tree of Life
right these are guardians and they have
a sword to hold anybody back which is
the sword of justice so justice is
holding us back from getting to the Tree
of Life which is a representation of
Christ so the Liberty is being able to
pass through justice through repentance
and doing our best and relying and
having faith in the atonement of Jesus
Christ so here we are early on in 2nd
Corinthians and we’ve already got a lot
of the spiritual economy
the hierarchy and now the higher and
lower laws that are all converging
together here and if we spot these
things these principles then I believe
we gain a greater knowledge of what Paul
is talking about I’ll talk to you next


  1. Thank you!!

    This is by far the most in-depth Come Follow Me podcast excellent 10 out of 10 and Qwic Media is not promoting his book or his trips to the Holy Land as part of the Lessons. Although if Qwic Media did write a book, I’d be the first to buy it!

  2. Thank You for the CFM supportive lessons. Ten months into CFM and yours is the first to actually provide clear explanations and background of events so we understand. We are 2 yrs in the church with no scriptural background, so teaching ourselves CFM is a challenge. It is like 2 grade school kids teaching themselves Algebra with no math background and the book is in another language. Our Ward friends try to help, but somehow it still didn’t click. Your program works for us and we are sharing it in our next study group. Thanks again for the help. Rick & Kathy

    • Thank you for the feedback. It’s funny how concepts and principles can take some time to sink in. Also, as you said, the language (vernacular) is different. If you ever have a question on anything, just let me know.

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